Cool, so intelligent discussion.

I can see your point SC but like, in a city the size of Bhagdad, with that many houses, that many streets, alleys whatever, how can you physically search every house, street by street, room by room. You either use the troops you've got, which might not be enough to do the job effectively (you risk missing people if you do it quickly, or do it carefully and take relatively forever) or you start drafting your own civs in (ala Vietnam) and you lot took offence to that last time your government tried it.

Quality over quantity...you're damn right on that one. The american battle plan has basically been the same since the civil war, which is to throw men and equipment at a problem until it goes away. Essentially its the same as any armies plan thorughout the history of the world, but the US has a decent economy and can pull it off.

I can't be bothered to read down atm, so whoever it was who said this kinda thing does the economy good, is right. Problem is that [some law of economics that i can't remember the name of] suggests that this is a cancerous style of growth, its self destructive. You can fight everyone forever and unfortunately even if you could, reasources are finite comodities, you've only got so much steel, energy, food, willpower, soon-to-be-corpses before you run out.

THink of it like a car, you're driving it flat out, then you hit the nitro, only instead of like a 2 second burst you leave the nitro on (assuming you've got a big ass tank of nitro) how long before your engine tears itself apart under the strain? *shrug*

Just look at what happened during that whole hurricane thing in New Orleans. All the home guard and everything were out in iraq, so there were no emergency responce teams set up. Coupled with this was the reaction of the citizens there, instead of trying to help each other out of this fucking god awful situation they found themselves in, they sat around blaming everyone else, stealing their shit, raping thier women and shooting at anything that looked like it was trying to help them out. Craziness.

I'm exagerating a little here to get my point across but unfortunately not any great extent. You people really need to get your government to prioritise what actualy important, not that we as British citizens have got anything to crow about. What we need to do is get like a million or so chavs in the center of london, get them drinking, then get them really angry about something, then just set them loose on the streets of London. That would give the government something to think about.

Now thats a real problem us brits have, all this anti social shit and this new scene of chavs. I mean ringing up the emergency services like fire engines just so they can lob shit at it! I mean what would actually drive you to do something so pointless and retarded! They are actually the scum of the earth and need dealing with, the government actually needs a massive holocaust. What we need to do is round all the chavs up in a field and destroy them.

The best way to deal with the chav infestation would be to put them all on a deserted island and then nuke it or just blow it up in some way, then we wouldn't have any more anti social behaviour

i had a chav come into my work thew other day and steal a litre of vodka an morgan spice and he ran out the shop before i could stop him, i rang my manager he told me not to bother phoning the police they don't come out unless you get hurt during the theift which shouldn't be the case at all

For many, that's easier said than done.

true...

and for the millionth time i get what your saying but there was nothing racist about it... my neighbor IS mexican and he IS an alien... and he came here legaly. There is nothing wrong with being an alien or an immigrant or whatever and whether or not you take offense to it is really not my problem! So you back off! IT WAS A FREAKING JOKE GET OVER IT!

just becuase your from a place where alien means illegal immigrant doesnt mean its racist. the fact is the word alien doesnt mean that someone has illegaly come to this country. im srry for your postion and i respect that you might have problems with me saying that because of where you live but the fact of the matter is i didnt say anything wrong. im not making it racist you are...

Are you serious? That's just retarded.

Oh and thanks to Zpin, I've changed my name to "Ari". For the more senior members (Keyes, Hunter, Zombie, Mallic, etc.) you can still call me "SC" if you want, but the rest of you's better start calling me by my new name (or die).

I did it for the lulz.

I was actually wondering who the hell is this guy with sc's avatar and sig! Makes sense now, you did that very slyly

Actually, what I hate the most is when everyone seems to jump on the bandwagon and hate GW Bush. Most people just hate him, just to hate him without forming any of their own opinions. The only thing most people can say about him is the War on Iraq, tax cuts, and the fact that he looks like a monkey. I'm not aiming this at you, but it just pisses me off when people cannot think for themselves.

Not entirely true. Thankfully, that is slowly being eradicated by the "gain through merit" ethic.

You forgot most of Africa. African tribes went to war - and still do - constantly, and the losing is tribe becomes slaves to the other tribe. So, nations would go to these tribes, and buy the losing tribe. We didn't go and nab us some darkies and throw chains on them. Hence why they call it the SLAVE TRADE.

Which you obviously didn't read thoroughly enough to get the point of it, and it was not killing other people.

You bet. Hey, I wonder if petroleum jelly is related to their natural gas counterparts.

Actually, I know a girl that did go through with it...so, yeah.

alright last emo thing, Well then she shouldnt have, becuase she really had a problem but im sick of kids who think there life is hard and its not. No ones life is easy.

Isn't it annoying when people say things like

"money can't buy happiness."?

Well, I'd sooner be miserable and rich than miserable and poor!

No, NO ONES life is easy, thats what i said, and thats the truth.

Yeah, that went just that little bit too far I feel...

Are you quite alright? No seriously, stop fucking around. You nail Mallic for being "immature" and now you are puling this shit off? Yeah, get the fuck out my thread.

There are some things I just don't like, and nukes are one of them
In games or movies they r A-OK but I hate the thought that something the size of a car can take out a whole city

wtf ..

man you cant do that.

EU is a alliance ,, more like trade alliance somewhat since they DEMAND that we get the same currency ... ( euro ) fuck no .,, i like my NoK

you think itd be better off as one , you dont even know whats going on in the countries , hell i bet you dont even know what joining EU would mean for example norway.. -.-

The loss of our own currency plus the grouping together of a bunch of countries that don't particularly like each other wouldn't be the best thing in the world.

Besides, the Euro looks like monopoly money.

and with norway not in on the coins..
sweden looks like a penis on the coins...


which is why some people say
" i wish that norway would join in on EU so our EURO coins didnt have sweden looking like a peeeniiss "

yep. they said that once in a whatamaca show

Well sorry I'm not a professional and perfect at world politics like you obviously are.

I gave my try at it and got shot down. Oh lawd.

1)
you have to pay a substantial tax , and places thats your countries "turf" like a nice fishing spot and such becomes available to the other countries.

2)
i have not seen any improvement in the relationships between countries.

3)
Economy gets a tiny bit worse since we have to pay in tax to the HQ , and change the currency.
with less money the military fund would lessen i wager.

culturaly,,, well norway got a fucked up culture that all depends on which part you are in, example : my part of norway a part of the culture is making infernal noises like " heihahahehaheahieihahaaga " and they call it singing,, or joiking.

politically, would be a hard hit here in norway, because if the government that is on now decides to join into EU , where as we the people always says no , ( there was only 1% of the voters last time that voted " hell yes " for EU ) the people will prob go on riot.

4)
havent joined yet. and hopefully wont join,
the impact though is that the closest countries got euro ( finnland and sweden ) ( allthough sweden got both euro and that other coin ,, sek i think )
makes it kinda cheaper to buy things from the other countries... hoorray for cheap beef.

1) You have to send your country' gold to Brussels/Germany, and pay a heavy tax, AND have to surrender some of your country's laws in favour of the EU regulations.

2) Improving some, f*cking up most.
3) Economy - poor countries are doing well, everyone else is worsened
Military- MUCH worsened (the Eurofighter was £5.4 billion over budget)
4) Culturally - massive over-immigration from Poland and Romania, so now you have to learn to speak 3 different languages just to get around London.
5) Politically - really wierd fake handshakes between leaders (they hate eachother really) We have no more personal rights (the right of a thug not to get stabbed in your house at night over-rides you right to defend your property)

ditto

I want to know because I'm curious. Would you rather have me making assumptions like before or actually getting valid information? Don't give me shit fool, especially when you took the time answering my questions anyway.

i didnt say it towards you , so dont be offended.

i said it toward the concept of EU....

i and sdw gave you cold hard slippery facts.

and im sorry that you felt offended

Uh... I gave you valid answers I thought were appropriate... They weren't intended to sound like "shit, fool."

That wasn't directed at you. I misunderstood what Frohman posted and that was towards what he said.

*Hugs Ari* it's ok, honey. Blame the Jews

watch lions for lambs thats exactly what that movie is about

Political incest is fucking hawt. We need to have more discussion on that subject. I think it's politically related enough.

And I think it was his 2nd cousin, not his 3rd.

"EEWWW"?
In Wales people sleep with their sisters anyway, what's the problem?
Well done on reading this, that means you are clever enough to realise this is only a joke.
We do not sleep with our sisters in wales, that's disgusting.
A blowjob is one thing...

Im still voting for ron paul

great man then

Imagine the mess and clearup
I think if your fired a gun that is pressed perpendicular to your skull, it's very very very very likely you will die instantly. Especially with a bigger gun I suppose.

He was gonna be sentenced to a long time in jail - maximum sentence was 55 years I believe - for allegedly receiving a $300,000 dollar kickback while in office. Despite his claims that he was innocent, he was still being sentenced, but he was able to hold his office as treasurer until the day of his sentencing. So he called a press conference, gave a speech, handed out some papers, took a .357 magnum revolver from a brown envelope, put it in his mouth, and shot himself.

A theory is that he did it so his family would get the full survivor's benefits - $1.28 million - as he was still in office when he shot himself, as the legal defense costs were astronomical.

Explained enough?

Credit to Wikipedia.

I was told that a .22 pistol would be ideal, as the bullet would pretty much bounce around inside the skull and brain, since it wouldn't create an exit wound.

They were wrong. The Finnish guy who went on a shooting spree at his school in Finland shot himself in the head with a .22 pistol. He died quite a long time later in hospital, because the small calibre of the bullet wasn't enough to kill him, and the police didn't enter the building until a few hours later.

Thanks, Keyes.

I feel sorry for this guy... very sad for killing himself in public.

No, it seems like a lot of people think bullets go on a straight path to and through their targets

Nigga don't talk shit about the USA

Bitch just got owned.

? That was very immature.

oh lighten up

^^ There's a party in my head!

Gordon Brown is on the way out... I hope...

Well duh

Anarchy ftw lolz


We need a stable leader.... I don't like obama, Clinton OR mccain. That's all.

What a bad attitude dude! Theres always one that you prefer more than other. Theres never a candidate thats perfect to everyone you just have to make the best of them win, even if its choosing from 2 evils the least, because of people like you the fanatical idiot got voted in like 2 times? Also whats wrong with Obama, seems like a reasonable guy compared to religious fanatics of republicans and crazy Hillary. Also is there even such a thing like independent candidate in US, haven't heard about it how can he be nominated?

America is fucked up with the voting. Only two major political parties. Two. It's bullshit. Either way, our Senators are more important than the President. Hell, voting for your local mayor has more of an impact on your life than the President.

You never heard of Checks and Balances I presume.

Yes, as I'm not american you know. Of course the president doesn't declare war or something single, the congress must agree or whats the procedure there, but what difference does it make? If the president doesn't support it it isn't happening, so you gotta be wise about what you vote there.

mallic, what is so good about him, what sets him away from all the other republican fanatics. Also whats his stance on embryonic stem cell research and possible use in future?

But they are all indeed religious fanatics from what I see living in a completely different part on the earth, just some more than others, so its better to support those that aren't totally lost. Also what you said only matters when the congress is strong enough eh (which was not the case with stem cell thing?) Maybe you guys misunderstood me, I'm not saying president is the only important thing to care about but its one of them, you gotta be wise about anything you vote about and not caring is just dumb tbh, I mean the guy you vote in will represent your country and you want it look good eh?

You're forgetting the part where the popular vote means jack-shit.

He means the popular vote means jack-shit. There's nothing to be wise about in voting for the president, as the election of a presidential candidate is unfortunately decided by the electoral college instead of the popular vote.

From my knowledge, the popular vote only holds sway in electing representatives and senators. Fuck voting for a commander-in-chief if it doesn't do anything other than show worthless statistics.

So you are saying that Bush didn't vetoed alone the founding of embryonic stem cell research? From what I have viewed on net all other instances where not against this. Maybe you just care about how well the trash is taken out or how good the streets are? This is a pretty hot thing in other places as well, like UK, its a shame that so many people don;t realize the big potential in medicine with it. I'm sure if a democratic party candidate where won instead of Bush he would have been more sensible about this.

What are you talking about? What does that have to do with anything we've been discussing?

Anyway getting to answering you, yes, the majority of Capitalist America agreed with Bush and is too stupid to recognize the meaning of scientific and technological advancement. However, it was Bush's decision to veto it. There's nothing the people could have done to stop that.

Umm, how about not voting for him (or any republican for that matter) in first place? This was my point from whole beginning on stepping into this discussion. You think its not an important research maybe? mallic, and you don't call that a big influence and power on important decisions president has to make?

Wheres the mistake, I cant find it lol!

Sorry, can't really do a lot about it other than improving trough writing, as english isn't my first language, but technically thats not a grammar mistake?

Again, you're not getting what I'm trying to say here. Is it so hard?

I like stem cell research. I like technology. I like advancement. Problem is that many people here are complacent. Sure, it's easy for you to say not to vote for him. Ok. Let's say NO one votes for conservative people like that. It still doesn't make a difference.

If a Republican candidate wants to ban stem cell research, then by God he's going to ban it even IF all the regular population of America disagree.

The only way we could stop a candidate like that is to SOMEHOW directly influece the delegates and officials from the electoral college that ARE the deciding factor in the vote.

The United States is a Federal Republic. Do you see the word Democracy in there? No! We're not as democratic as people would like to think. We might be on the lower levels of government, but in the Executive branch it ain't worth nothing.

Someone is on the same page as me.

Posting this part again just in case anyone missed it. The view isn't shallow if it's true. I've no room to "view" greater beyond the obvious because the chances of American citizens voting for people that add to the bigger picture is extremely unlikely. Not many people here know how the system even works.

Umm, have you ever lived in communist country to talk about it? I guess not. Communism was pretty decent, at least thats what my grandfather says. Stalin could've had a chance of doing what? If there was something bad about communism then it was he (while he was the man who made Lenins ideas come to life).

In every communist country's it is like that. Thats what is so great about it just gotta make it to the upper level. World where all people would be equal would be boring and stupid and there would be no point to live, we all seek to be superior, better, smarter, faster and so one, no matter if we admit or not.

Most of my family have born and lived in communism and they all agree it works! Just not the way it says to work.

Or you meant conservative? :/

That too. Hahahahaha

All I can say is that, she seems very annoying. Weheheheehehe
You never know.

I think shes relatively dumb, I mean not dumber than prolly the average people un US, but clearly way too dumb for something like a president or vice president job. And yeah, all the stupid conservative opinions about abortion, education system and climate change.

Edit:
Nop, shes actually belove average :/
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y

What a very tactless comment. Because "average" people everywhere else in the world are so much smarter. If that were true, then the United States shouldn't even be a first world country. However, that's not the case, is it?

Martin L king all over again, i know what your saying white supremacists wont stand for it cunts.

People are dumb everywhere, the average people that is, but in any sane country those people don't get nominated for that to big government jobs, I mean how much intellect is needed to name a few news sources, especially if the question is repeated like 4 times.

Oh? Only people of higher supreme intelligence are nominated for a foot in the government? Hmm, my mistake then, I always thought the main qualities were arrogance, two-faced and able to read a script.

Maybe not the best minds you could want but clearly they are not on stupidity scale of Sarah Palin. She is really dumb as rock. Also being smart doesnt make them work in favor of people that elected them.

Oh, how nice to hear than!

as do I mate... as do I.

Yeah, hes the maverick!
Yeah, hes a really bright guy to pick a running mate with intellect not much bigger of a primary school kid, not to mention that hes voted the same as Bush like 90% times :/
Yeah, lets hunt down all the gays, abortionists, stemcell researchers, bear lovers and burn them like in old good christian way!

Hmmm, yeah I haven't gotten into deep detail with McCain really, I'm not so into politics but my school is making me get into it(argh you history class).

So, does that make Bush a republican? Or is he just running this continent with Republican things but claims himself as a democrat? An answer I don't know.

Before you start acting anymore sarcastic, I want to say that I wasn't in any way trying to "sell" McCain as the best presidential candidate ever. I was simply saying how he was different (and better) from Bush. His political alignment with him was temporary and awkward, and he only did it to gain sufficient support to run for office successfully. It's called political tactics darling, get used to it.

As for the issues, which you heavily exxaggerated, are not extreme right-wing. They're actually closer to moderate viewpoints than anything else.

Social change takes time Smachine, and whether pessiments want to admit it or not, things really are progressing.

Good to hear that, you almost started to sound like jesus camp kid. But you cannot believe a guy to be really putting the country first if he picks the dumbest possible running mate only to appeal certain crowds of people.

Things are running REAL close. Obama and McCain about as dead even as candidate popularity can get. Let's just shed the reality of the candidates themselves for a second. You know guys, either way, we'll either get a black president, or a female vice president. It's some sort of change either way. Would it be too extreme to call this another turning point in American history?

We're living it! Yeah? Yeah?!??!

Must be his old age!

You want a president like that? Old enough to forget such a common known things.

People will make mistakes, no one is going to be perfect. For people to think every candidate must be a divine creation of God that will be above the mistakes of man is laughable. Extremely laughable.

I'd like to see you run for an office. With your 10 year old level analysis of every political situation, you might be lucky to even have your name mentioned in the first primary.

I will not tolerate blind accusations of either McCain, Obama, or any other candidate for that matter. Polititians will have their strengths and weaknesses, and sure, criticize them all you want, but if you want to go so low as to call any of them "stupid" or "real dumb" you may want to look at yourself in the mirror and reevaluate your own intelligence.

And again, that's what you call political strategy. That's how it's been done, that's how it will always be done. You're too much of an idealist to realize that's not going to change any time soon. You seem to have your own idea on how politics in America works. You think it's supposed to run your way, but it does not. Try dealing with the system that you have now, not with your own version of it.

You cannot judge McCain's intelligence by a single mistake, no matter how bad it was. I'd say that's pretty damn good thing if that youtube video is the only proof showing a slip from McCain. You'd actually have a case if he made more mistakes of the same kind, but he hasn't has he? It's not right to base his entire intellect soley on one mishap. I don't think you'd be very happy if someone called you a crappy modeler because one of your models turned out to be a disaster.

Im not saying that this will ever change much, all im saying is Republican party is taking the pick someone the majority thinks is "real american" too far and doesnt even bother with the fact that the person is totally dumb. I support Obama, Im not american you know, so I dont really feel any difference where in whoever wins, I just think hes a bright guy and someone who is good enough to be president of such a big country. Btw, Russian propogandic media uses that "mistake" regulary to mock US...

And yeah, amazing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/uselectionroadtrip/2008/oct/27/barack-obama-muslim-antichrist

Bah, that matters not. Just shows they're still rather pissed that they're not a superpower anymore. They may even be jealous because they were outlasted by a country which has its streak of "dumb" presidents. RIP USSR.

Anyway, the election is very close. It's so close, I'm willing to bet some people will be forced to flip a coin when they're voting. This is the first presidential election I'm actually looking foward to.

3 skinheads

Same with me!

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Hehe, I can't wait to wear my bright red Soviet shirt to school one of these days.

Anyway, there's also a proposition keeping marriage between a man and a woman only. Also, as farfetched and unrealistic it may seem, I really think the president should be directly elected. I don't care how difficult it would be to manage it, but at least the popular vote would fucking count for something. In other news, I'll be turning 18 in a few months. Now I can be "officially" politically active.

Oh, I missed that one. X.x

Yes I read. FBI busted some neo-nazis. Here's my demented interpretation of their kind; Hitler committed suicide, so every neo-nazi is most likely secretly emo. It will not be long until they devolve into emo-nazi's!

Biden was right. If Obama gets elected, the first 6 months of his tenure is going to be HELL.

amidst the biggest head pain ever this morning that actually perked my day up slightly.


i expect some assassination attempts in the future from closet-KKK'ers

Good!

I always taught you where some christian fundamentalist.

I always thought you were some anarchistic hippy.

Nah, Im not in favor of peace and I like tight government control as long as it makes things better.

Alright. See how assuming works? Making blind assumptions such as "Christian Fundamentalist" just makes you look like a little silly goose. You really need to work on your people skills.

No need to explain Smachine, I accept your apology.

Also, if there's any classification I must take, it would be "Republican moderate".

slag = another word for someone loose ?

Correct, though I was under the impression that it was predominantly used by the British.

Also, it is the waste material from smelting iron or steel.

I R hated.

So, I've gone from hated to just being bad... eh. Better than being evil I guess.


Now.... where is my burger and fries!!!

Personally, I think it has improved the image of USA. There's just something very honest about Obama and he seems real.

... You say (post) that and... just wait... somehow FOX or CNN will start running that headline while the rest of our alphabet-soup cable news channels try and make such a thing look normal...


_CiviliaN^SoldieR_: Huh. From the media coverage I've been seeing, you'd think Obama's image was going in the opposite direction. Then again, Obama has been having a hard time with some of the changes he's been trying to make and the media (from what I've been watching) has been (attempting to, at least) making him look like a used car salesman.