Posted by: [PE]MadMax_FMM November 18, 2004 12:48 pm

First of all, we have to emphasize that our team is not a bunch of inexperienced designers trying to create just another mod. Indeed, we have some interesting references to present, which can be found in the appendix, and furthermore have created a professional basis for our next project. We are fully aware of the fact that designers, artist or programmers set great store by serious projects with the chance of long-term success. This is why we focussed on motivation, reliability, creativity, identification with the product, constance, innovation and a flexible structure when dealing with our previous projects. We still hold on to these values and are constantly trying to improve these aspects. Most of our team members are students (mainly arts, design and computer studies) and have already gained experience by participating in several mod-, game-, design- or media projects. To cut a long story short: We are currently working on an Action RPG taking place in an interesting Fantasy setting containing new control- and gameplay related features. The very first version of our design document consists of 30 pages and includes sketches, photos, models and reference textures. Furthermore, we are developing our own scenario- and map editor and are confident that it will be finished soon. For basic development, we use Crystal Space, an open-source engine that provides us with the complete source code. This code can be changed and expanded right as we need it. From the technical point of view, this engine is definitely as good as the ones that current professional games use. More information concerning the engine can be found http://crystal.sourceforge.net/tikiwiki/tiki-view_articles.php Our primary goal is the creation of a freeware-based Action-RPG. Nevertheless, we are still thinking of an official and commercial distribution, which is definitely possible using the Crystal Space engine. Since we are trying to form a motivated and professional team, the development process itself would come off without any financial pressure until we reach the point when we can think of searching for a publisher. A very important indicator in this matter would be our media presence. Even though some may consider this kind of recruitment via a message board being inadequate, I can assure you that our team members are qualified and competent persons who see this project as a step towards real commercial game design. We appreciate every kind of interest in our project, but have to insist that everyone who wants to become a member of our team is at least 18 years old, not only because of legal reasons. Nevertheless, there may be a few exceptions. So far, we are not willing to give further information since this would require an unnecessary and inappropriate compression of our ideas. But since it is definitely possible to leave the team when finding out that gamedesign is not the right thing for you to do, there is no risk in applying for our team. To us, politeness, objectivity and creativity are extremely important qualities that every interested person should have. In the moment, we mainly require additional Coders (C++). Later on, we will probably be in need of 2D/3D artist working on models, skins & textures as well as animators for special creature animations. Of course, these fields are already covered by qualified persons, but we are definitely lacking personnel, since several former members of our team came to the conclusion that they did not want to engage in gamedesign for a long time. Now I would like to point out some of our references and to post the questionaire that every new member will have to fill. REFERENCES: As I already mentioned, our team has worked on many different projects, starting with maps & mods for Doom, Wolfenstein, Duke Nukem 3D and Shadow Warrior up to current shooters and other games. In this context, we mainly want to mention the projects and concepts that our team produced in the current composition: The most important project was a mod for the well-known shooter Half-Life named Public Enemy The Dark Future. A comprehensive collection of information and materials can be found here: http://www.public-enemy.de/ http://www.ironoak.ch/PE/ http://www.ironoak.ch/BB/index.php?page=zombies In addition, the homepage provides you with information concerning former projects and single membersī references. All pictures shown here are part of our HL-based mod Public Enemy. Public Enemy was presented and awarded by several Magazines and TV shows (PC Action, Giga TV, PC-Gamer etc). QUESTIONAIRE: 1) Tell us something about you: Who are you? Where are you from? (name, age, residence, job, interests etc.) 2) Which activity within the development would you like to do (coding, modelling etc.) and could you imagine becoming a professional game designer? 3) If you answered yes: Can you think of participating in a project that has a professional and commercial purpose (Though there would be no risk during the beginning of the development process since our game would be freeware-based in that state). This of course requires you to identify with and to concentrate on our project. 4) Of course, there are certain qualifications and abilities that every team member has to have. These mainly are motivation, reliability, communication and identification with our product. What we request of you is an honest statement whether you fullfill these requirements. Even though our project will be freeware-based in the beginning of the development, concentrated and consequent work is necessary. Nevertheless, we accept that things like school, job and exams cannot be neglected. 5) In our team, all members are allowed to present their own ideas concerning our product. Are you able to continue your work even if we rejected a suggestion you put forward? Please answer honestly. 6) Can you imagine to engage in our team for a long time if the project is successful? This aspect is very important to us since many former members left our team after finishing Public Enemy, which slowed down the development our our recent projects. 7) Can you imagine to participate in the development of a 3D-Action-RPG, taking place in an interesting and detailed fantasy atmosphere? Are you generally interested in that genre? 8) Did you already gain experience in developing elements of a game (Skins, Textures, Models, Maps)? If you did, can you present any references? Please give us some links then instead of sending any kind of materials via E-Mail. Please send all your answers and any additional information you consider being helpful for our decision here: spin@ironoak.ch Since our project is freeware-based in the moment, we are legally not allowed to request any personal data of you. Nevertheless, it is definitely helpful if you can give us some information about you. This enables us to decide whether you are the right person for our team or not. Of course, the may be persons who criticize these kind of recruitments. This is why Iīd like to emphasize that we mainly try to find people who have the same attitude towards gaming and designing games as we have. We are aware of the fact that these requests very often are not serious or honest, but indeed it is very difficult nowadays to find competent and qualified personnel. As I already mentioned, no one will be forced to stay in our team if he finds out that the situation is not like what he expected. We hope that some of you may be interested in our work, even though we were not able to give further information about our current project. Any member of our team will gladly answer any questions you might have, so donīt hesitate to contact them.

Posted by: slappy November 18, 2004 05:47 pm

1) Tell us something about you: Who are you? Where are you from? (name, age, residence, job, interests etc.) TeD Strother, Michigan USA, College Student 2) Which activity within the development would you like to do (coding, modelling etc.) and could you imagine becoming a professional game designer? Sound 3) If you answered yes: Can you think of participating in a project that has a professional and commercial purpose (Though there would be no risk during the beginning of the development process since our game would be freeware-based in that state). This of course requires you to identify with and to concentrate on our project. Currently working on a non-profit opensource first person shooter. I have no problem with this. 4) Of course, there are certain qualifications and abilities that every team member has to have. These mainly are motivation, reliability, communication and identification with our product. What we request of you is an honest statement whether you fullfill these requirements. Even though our project will be freeware-based in the beginning of the development, concentrated and consequent work is necessary. Nevertheless, we accept that things like school, job and exams cannot be neglected. No problem, as long as I have time for school 5) In our team, all members are allowed to present their own ideas concerning our product. Are you able to continue your work even if we rejected a suggestion you put forward? Please answer honestly. See my work as a beta-tester for BB. 6) Can you imagine to engage in our team for a long time if the project is successful? This aspect is very important to us since many former members left our team after finishing Public Enemy, which slowed down the development our our recent projects. Currently been working with http://www.openfrag.org for some time now 7) Can you imagine to participate in the development of a 3D-Action-RPG, taking place in an interesting and detailed fantasy atmosphere? Are you generally interested in that genre? I'm not limited to only one genre of games. I'm going to be beta-testing Wish (MMRPG) sometime at the start of next year. 8) Did you already gain experience in developing elements of a game (Skins, Textures, Models, Maps)? If you did, can you present any references? Please give us some links then instead of sending any kind of materials via E-Mail. Some of my work for Openfrag: http://data.openfrag.org/slappy/slappysoundpack1.rar http://data.openfrag.org/slappy/slappy.nfo

Posted by: Reino November 19, 2004 07:26 am

QUESTIONAIRE: 1) Tell us something about you: Who are you? Where are you from? (name, age, residence, job, interests etc.) My name is Tim Hand, and I live in Canada. I do 3d modeling as a hobby, but might make a career out of it since I was recommended. I am interested in 3d art and design, Acting, Military Front-Line Infantry and I work as a Weapons Repair and Build engineer which makes me accurate with modeling Modern weaponry. 2) Which activity within the development would you like to do (coding, modelling etc.) and could you imagine becoming a professional game designer? 3d Modeling, UVMapping (Skin meshing), and some Skinning. And yes, I could imagine myself making it to a professional department within the game development business. 3) If you answered yes: Can you think of participating in a project that has a professional and commercial purpose (Though there would be no risk during the beginning of the development process since our game would be freeware-based in that state). This of course requires you to identify with and to concentrate on our project. Yes. 4) Of course, there are certain qualifications and abilities that every team member has to have. These mainly are motivation, reliability, communication and identification with our product. What we request of you is an honest statement whether you fullfill these requirements. Even though our project will be freeware-based in the beginning of the development, concentrated and consequent work is necessary. Nevertheless, we accept that things like school, job and exams cannot be neglected. I have no problem with that at all, as this is my last year of school, and with only Half a year left. 5) In our team, all members are allowed to present their own ideas concerning our product. Are you able to continue your work even if we rejected a suggestion you put forward? Please answer honestly. Yes. I am joining this project because I am interested in the ideas of the fellow members around me. I accept that everyone has a voice and I would be more then happy to hear other's ideas, even if my own do not get accepted. 6) Can you imagine to engage in our team for a long time if the project is successful? This aspect is very important to us since many former members left our team after finishing Public Enemy, which slowed down the development our our recent projects. I will stay as long as you would like me to, with the exceptions of finishing school and taking my course through my future career. 7) Can you imagine to participate in the development of a 3D-Action-RPG, taking place in an interesting and detailed fantasy atmosphere? Are you generally interested in that genre? I am interested in many ideas and genres that have hit the gaming industry. I like fantasy because it has elements that we wish were possible, but can only experience through imagination. Thus, I do like Fantasy. 8) Did you already gain experience in developing elements of a game (Skins, Textures, Models, Maps)? If you did, can you present any references? Please give us some links then instead of sending any kind of materials via E-Mail. I have uploaded various renders of my work: http://www.hifi-entertainment.com/portfolio/skin2.jpg http://www.hifi-entertainment.com/portfolio/fnp90.jpg http://www.hifi-entertainment.com/portfolio/glock1.jpg http://www.hifi-entertainment.com/portfolio/deagle1.jpg http://www.hifi-entertainment.com/portfolio/2.jpg And theres more but I'll render them later.

Posted by: dEMolite November 20, 2004 02:00 am

QUOTE Please send all your answers and any additional information you consider being helpful for our decision here: spin@ironoak.ch you must send an email to spin with the Questionaire.

Posted by: Reino November 20, 2004 06:08 am

Oh lol, I didn't see that. I just did what the other guy did

Posted by: slappy November 20, 2004 06:36 am

i like to stand out... that and i didn't notice the email bit, and by the time demolite posted, i didn't feel like emailing.

Posted by: dEMolite November 21, 2004 03:32 am

kk its good and i might the devs have read this and noticed

Posted by: Reino November 23, 2004 09:01 pm

Anyone get a reply yet? I didn't O_o

Posted by: slappy November 23, 2004 09:11 pm

QUOTE (Reino @ Nov 23 2004, 03:01 PM) Anyone get a reply yet? I didn't O_o nope, no word yet for me

Posted by: [PE]MadMax_FMM November 23, 2004 09:20 pm

Sorry guys! We'll prepare replies in a few weeks. At the moment we're very busy with other things (brainbread for example).... please just be patient. ^^

Posted by: Reino November 29, 2004 08:19 pm

My current E-mail addy is down, so send a reply to timhand86@hotmail.com instead

Posted by: Jrgsubzero December 18, 2004 06:38 am

I have no experiecne but im taking digital design this janurary. bu right noe, I can be a writer or a idea suggestor.

Posted by: slappy January 02, 2005 06:49 am

some new content was added to http://data.openfrag.org/slappy/songs just letting you guys know

Posted by: Blue Summer January 02, 2005 01:36 pm

i wanna beta test . Gotta be in first - the early bird catches the worm. Lol.

Posted by: Reino January 17, 2005 09:16 pm

Just checking up. Any update on this yet?

Posted by: dEMolite January 19, 2005 01:41 am

Madmax said to me. In few weeks they bring us more details. but i don't say to mutch.

Posted by: -KRUX- February 04, 2005 11:37 am

QUESTIONAIRE: 1) Tell us something about you: Who are you? Where are you from? (name, age, residence, job, interests etc.) - My name is Stan , I am 15 years old , one of my favorite things of all are drawing and making textures ect. and i am from Serbia. 2) Which activity within the development would you like to do (coding, modelling etc.) and could you imagine becoming a professional game designer? -Well i would do anything that has drawin/art involved and its hard for me to imagine being a game designer because ive never had such a good oportunity like this. 3) If you answered yes: Can you think of participating in a project that has a professional and commercial purpose (Though there would be no risk during the beginning of the development process since our game would be freeware-based in that state). This of course requires you to identify with and to concentrate on our project. -I dont quiet understand the question but, This is for sure i go on the computer everyday that i can (everyday just about) and if i got chosen, i would do the best i can to make this a kick ass game 4) Of course, there are certain qualifications and abilities that every team member has to have. These mainly are motivation, reliability, communication and identification with our product. What we request of you is an honest statement whether you fullfill these requirements. Even though our project will be freeware-based in the beginning of the development, concentrated and consequent work is necessary. Nevertheless, we accept that things like school, job and exams cannot be neglected. - Well i am a fairly reliable person, I try to do the best i can and i am always motivated when (if) doing activities cool as this. 5) In our team, all members are allowed to present their own ideas concerning our product. Are you able to continue your work even if we rejected a suggestion you put forward? Please answer honestly. -I have had exacteley 3 or 4 suggestion rejects in one week (my first week) and i dont quit, and besides life goes on... doesnt it? 6) Can you imagine to engage in our team for a long time if the project is successful? This aspect is very important to us since many former members left our team after finishing Public Enemy, which slowed down the development our our recent projects. -being a game project team mate has been my dream for the last 5 years since i got hl1, and if or not this project is succesfull i will do my best to stay with the team. 7) Can you imagine to participate in the development of a 3D-Action-RPG, taking place in an interesting and detailed fantasy atmosphere? Are you generally interested in that genre? -YES! i love RPG's i own lots (diablo 2, never winter, bulders gate ect. and yes i would absoluteley love to make a game like that. 8) Did you already gain experience in developing elements of a game (Skins, Textures, Models, Maps)? If you did, can you present any references? Please give us some links then instead of sending any kind of materials via E-Mail. -Yes I gained a bit by making skins on hlmv , and some experience on making maps, cause i have hammer editor And heres a picture i Drew of an Orc hope you like it

Posted by: _CiviliaN^SoldieR_ February 05, 2005 02:47 pm

You need to be 18+ it's why i didn't apply.

Posted by: TheBlazeUK February 06, 2005 02:06 am

Unlucky krux - looks like you can draw pretty well too.

Posted by: -KRUX- February 06, 2005 03:18 am

Thnx Blaze i was really looking forward to that But good luck with it Ironoak

Posted by: Blue Summer February 07, 2005 12:03 pm

Iron oak is actually a buisness not an amateur mod design team. I presume they mean to pay... Also if you read the frist posts you were supposed to pm madmax with applications since they are private affairs. edit: Lol civi... What mad 1337 uber skillz do you have offer apart from your z0m|3135 ?(zombies..). Lol i'm a games deisgner so if Ironoak wants any free work done pm meh...

Posted by: -KRUX- February 07, 2005 12:43 pm

Ohhh ur lucky ur over 18 Im stuck in the 1990 generation and thers no escape good luck if u get chosen tho

Posted by: Blue Summer February 07, 2005 02:48 pm

I was born in 1990...

Posted by: -=Jouni=- February 07, 2005 07:39 pm

Me too

Posted by: _CiviliaN^SoldieR_ February 07, 2005 08:15 pm

Heh blue summer, show some work perhaps? I'm a programmer creator, coder, Gfx design, modeller, skinner and mapper, and sounds.

Posted by: (4THIDUSA) SSG H. February 07, 2005 08:26 pm

So is this still going on? I guess I should submit an app then.

Posted by: -KRUX- February 12, 2005 12:46 am

is this RPG gonna be mass online or just a d2 type..?

Posted by: Mkilbride February 12, 2005 02:39 am

Mass online,the crystal engine,I know it,its built for MMORPGS...

Posted by: -KRUX- February 12, 2005 04:52 am

Ohhhh cant wait for it can the leaders plz send some concept art if they have some i wanna see what its gonna look like

Posted by: slappy February 12, 2005 08:18 am

one project currently using the same engine: http://www.planeshift.it/ i've tried it and wasn't that impressed, they really need to work on performance increases.

Posted by: Blue Summer February 12, 2005 10:43 am

Planeshift was meant to be a fully linux mmorpg with a port to windows, but it was 'sposed to be the first for linux. I knew that without looking.

Posted by: -KRUX- February 13, 2005 03:37 am

ohhh i hope this new rpg will not be a dissapointment

Posted by: Mkilbride February 13, 2005 03:52 am

I for one,will purchase it,will their be a monthly fee like most MMORPGS?,even if their is,I probably will,Ironoak is known for its quality

Posted by: Mac February 13, 2005 05:47 am

Questions: 1) Will there be a monthly fee? 2) Will this be mmorpg? 3) What kind of combat style are we expecting? (don't answer if you don't want to reveal .. ^^; )

Posted by: -KRUX- February 13, 2005 10:37 pm

QUOTE (Mac @ Feb 13 2005, 05:47 AM) Questions: 1) Will there be a monthly fee? 2) Will this be mmorpg? 3) What kind of combat style are we expecting? (don't answer if you don't want to reveal .. ^^; ) yes it will be an MMORPG and i dunno about the monthly fee bit, i hope not

Posted by: _CiviliaN^SoldieR_ February 19, 2005 10:25 pm

1. For an MMORPG, it's too risky for them, specially with huge companies rolling out MMORPG's. 2. First, they need to buy a couple of servers (huge servers) and pay to keep them running, if no one plays, they're screwed.

Posted by: Nikku February 26, 2005 10:32 pm

why not a yearly fee?

Posted by: -=Jouni=- February 27, 2005 11:12 pm

Can i betatest it? And get it for free?

Posted by: Nikku February 27, 2005 11:14 pm

uhhh... SAme? ALso they are making a FPS before this

Posted by: slappy March 04, 2005 11:02 am

to the ironoak team: any news? i know the format has changed, but i'm still open to do sound if you want.

Posted by: Shoot_me May 11, 2005 10:51 pm

Any info about the custom map editor? I primarily use QuArk, which supports the Crystal Space engine, but would be willing to learn how to use a different editor.

Posted by: Hobo Ninja June 27, 2005 04:30 am

QUOTE (_CiviliaN^SoldieR_ @ Feb 19 2005, 03:25 PM) 1. For an MMORPG, it's too risky for them, specially with huge companies rolling out MMORPG's. 2. First, they need to buy a couple of servers (huge servers) and pay to keep them running, if no one plays, they're screwed. They can design the game and then license or sell it to a major company like SOE or something and have them run the servers...

Posted by: Zpin June 27, 2005 02:04 pm

closed, this thread is outdated and the title is confusing for new members.