I played on a server with 22 people...ammo is very scarce then.

Well to me, its not a 45. Because it takes 9mm shells. It may look like a 45, and have the same clip capacity, but it fires like a 9mm, and you pick up 9mm rounds, not 45 rounds. A .45 would be better suited for this game, because it would be more powerful. As it is now, it takes just about a whole damn clip to kill a zombie with the 9mm.

In real life, the 9mm is a high velocity shell, which when shot usually goes through the body. Now the .45 on the other hand, is a slow, KNOCK down, shot. It travels at such a slower rate, that it basically pushes/knocks down the victim.

To give you an idea, I will tell you my dads story from vietnam. Sapper came out of the bushes, running towards my dads platoon. A guy said he'd get him, and pulled out his 9mm. The guy fired several shots, but the sapper kept coming. He would just tighten up the wires, around his arms and legs so that he wouldn't lose blood. My dads platoon leader stood up, took one shot, and knocked the fucker down to the ground. Now that is stopping power. The 9mm's just went right on through, no real damage. The 45 on the other hand, stop the fucker dead in his tracks.

@MrWilson7322
If what yr saying is true, then the m16 should do even less damage. Its only a 5.56mm bullet and it travels extremly fast.

I think the reason, the 9mm bullets is under powered is because it travels so slowly, and is relatively light. Someone correct me if Im wrong, but it is momentum that does the damage to a target, which if I remember correctly from my physics classes..

Momentum = mass X velocity...

I would guess as the reason to why a 45 cal does so much damage, is that its a (relativly) heavy bullet that is traveling a a (relativly) decent velocity..

Ok OLD MAN AUZ, your theory about the 9mm is wrong. Your formula is correct though. The 9mm travels at a higher velocity than the .45, but the .45 weighs more in grains than does the average 9mm shell. Here is an example of a standard 9mm shell:

Weight (grains) 115 VELOCITY 1180 = a momentum of 123025.

Now for a 45 standard ACP round.

Weight (grains) 185 VELOCITY 950 = A momentum of 175750.


Now the reason the 45 has more stopping power (momentum) is due to its rather larger weight. I may have stated before that the Velocity had the greatest thing, but I didn't mean it that way. I should have said that both the velocity and weight have a affect on the momentum.

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is a slow, KNOCK down, shot.

I took that line to mean that you were saying that 45cal does more damage because it is traveling slower.... and I was like wtf ?? and feeling sighltly confused about why you would think that . but its all good now....

QUOTE (old_man_auz @ Nov 9 2004, 11:42 PM)

@MrWilson7322 If what yr saying is true, then the m16 should do even less damage.  Its only a 5.56mm bullet and it travels extremly fast.

correct me if im wrong but... isnt the 5.56 bullit much much bigger and heavyer then a 9 MM bullit? atleast the clip size between a mp5 and a m16 are alot different..

@TTS.
I thought that MrWilson7322 was saying that the slower the bullet, the more damage it does when it hits a target. That comment I made:

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If what yr saying is true, then the m16 should do even less damage.  Its only a 5.56mm bullet and it travels extremly fast.

was me simply trying to point out that if his "comments" were true, then why does the 5.56 mm round to alot more damage to a taget than the 9mm bullet.
After a small discussion, we have realise, that we werent as clear about things as we should have been and its all good now.

The M16 and the rounds it uses 5.56 is made for the American soldier as a light weight accurate firing weapon. The M16 has never nor will ever have the stopping power of say an AK 47 which uses 7.62 rounds which almost all enemies we fight now of days have. How ever the 5.56 round al though smaller and lighter actually is a much more nasty round than a 9mm due to the fact that the round it self tumbles inside the body bouncing off of bones and may come out in different places of the body instead of just in and out in a straight line destyroying your insides. Now exactly when does it start tumbling I do not know. I was under the impression of it started when it struck bone but an ex-NAVY SEAL says it does after so many meters in flight.

I enjoyed the game but its hard to play at times. There are a few moments where you just get so over whelmed with adrenaline you just panic and stop moving and face your death which i hope bb will bring .

Erm... sorry guys, but this isn't a "Review of Zombie Panic" anymore. ^^ You're welcome to talk about gun physics, but please create a new thread for this (@Offtopic Forums). Thank you guys!

-MM

Not to go against you or anything max, but isn't talking about the gun physics in the ZP mod, and basing them off of real life weapons, still in the review area??????????

[quote=Review of Zombie Panic comparing to Brain Bread]
But there are some flaws within this system. I like to have very limited ammo because it promotes team play but on some maps there is such less ammo and weapons you always running around with your pistol only having 7 bullets and that’s just enough killing one zombie if you archive some headshots.[/quote]

Thats why you use teamwork, so you can offer support to the people who do have big weapons.

And by the way, "archive a few headshots"?

[quote=Review of Zombie Panic comparing to Brain Bread]
Another problem is that everybody can pickup every type of ammo even if he never need it. That way valuable ammo gets horded and lost. There’s a key to drop ammo but it’s to difficult because you have to select the ammo type first and afterwards you can drop ammo.[/quote]

I don't think pressing two buttons is very hard...

[quote=Review of Zombie Panic comparing to Brain Bread]It may be a better system if you can only pickup useable ammo and assign the drop ammo key so it just drops ammo of the selected weapon.[/quote]

Yeah, except that completely prevents ammo runs, which are an important part of Zombie Panic. Again, teamwork.

[quote=Review of Zombie Panic comparing to Brain Bread]There are “only” 7 weapons. Your start weapons are a crowbar and a 9mm pistol with 7 bullets. The next weapons are placed on the map for pickup like:
- a .357 revolver killing a zombie with 3 shots maximum
- a shotgun with a 6 shell tube magazine downing a zombie in two shots maximum.
- a AR15 with a 30 box magazine
- a satchel chare with detonation trigger
- a bundle dynamite with fixed detonation
[/quote]

The last two are the same thing, they forgot the dynamite grenade.

[quote=Review of Zombie Panic comparing to Brain Bread]Zombie Panic comes with 10 maps but they are quite half-life standard quality and some are even quite ugly. [/quote]

Yeah, industry is horrid. Did they look at all the maps?

[quote=Review of Zombie Panic comparing to Brain Bread]Also the weapon models are quite Half-Life standard.[/quote]






[quote=Review of Zombie Panic comparing to Brain Bread]So what are the differences?
The main difference is that Zombie Panic has a more “competition” outfit like Vampire Slayer. So in Zombie Panic you have a limited amount of different weapons you have to master to maximize your surviving chance while Brain Bread has a more “fun” outfit with 18 (?) weapons to play with. [/quote]

More weapons != more fun. Each weapon in ZP is there for a reason, and there are no redundancies. Pistol is for self defense. Magnum is for long-range headshots. Shotgun is for close-combat. Rifle is for subduing a large group of enemies. Grenade is for clearing an area. Satchel is for setting up a defense or as a last measure.


[quote=Review of Zombie Panic comparing to Brain Bread]Another plus for Brain Bread is that there are better and more player models and a much better map quality with the downside that there’s currently only one map but we all know good maps take time.[/quote]

So... higher map quality, on one map...

[quote=Review of Zombie Panic comparing to Brain Bread]Based on the current information it looks also Brain Bread can deliver a much more varying game play with more weapons, AI controlled zombies and AI controlled friendly soldiers, policemen, a tank and a helicopter. Also Brain Bread has some kind of experience system to earn new skills and weapons (?) and it looks like there are mission driven maps like Sven Coop.[/quote]

"Based on the current information"? Doesn't that mean you can just say whatever you want? I mean, heck, based on the current information, right after you install Zombie Panic, theres a chance that super models will show up at your door with bags of cash. And I'll believe all this advanced AI stuff when I see it. All the "planned" things for Brain Bread are nice, but right now Zombie Panic trumps it because it actually has a stable, playable, public version out. As for missions, thats being worked on, and we've already tested one objective map.