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> Gunman killing 32 in Virginia Tech, Shocking.
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Posted: April 17, 2007 08:59 pm
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QUOTE (Keyes @ April 17, 2007 07:05 pm)
Ahhh, political discussion...how I hate it...

Look, it's not up to us whether or not Americans have guns or not - we leave that to their government to decide. Sure, we have very low gun crime here in the UK, but that's only because we had a couple of shooting sprees and the new gun laws were brought in as a consequence. If the US feel that they don't need to take those measures to prevent shooting sprees, then it's their choice.

Tanker, please try to be a little less abrasive. Calling people fucking morons and retards, contrary to popular belief, is NOT the best way to get your point across.

And dickheads like Jack Thompson blaming these things on video games is ridiculous. I'd like to cave his head in with a crowbar, but then that would be too much like a video game related death...damnit...

Yeah its there choice but they will never make the right one because of there right to bear arms? What is that all about? Patriatism to its max by the sounds of it. This topics come up before about american gun laws in these forums, normally results in the american members saying oh we can buy guns you cant.

What death would'nt be like a computer game!?! Every possible death has been done.

I hope some disrespectful, cock head games developer doesnt uses this incident as a computer game.

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Posted: April 17, 2007 09:10 pm
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umm right your an idiot... you think there is no gun crimes over there? oh hell yes there are! what you guys have basicly done is made it so that you dont really have any defense against someone who does have a gun... i mean think about it? if everyone had had a gun at Virginia Tech then as soon as that guy pulled out a gun everyone would have shot him and there you go 1 death... if you take away guns then all he does is run around with a machete and there is nothing to stop him... i mean what are you going to do? tell him no you shouldnt do that? all you can do is wait until your government sends some people with actual weapons to stop him... and by that point everyones already dead... youve made it so that you cant stop anyone... and its not impossible to get a gun so if he did manage to get one then what? then your really screwed... i understand strict gunlaws but not even the damn police have guns... thats just retarded...

edit: and there is nothing really patriotic about the right to bare arms... we are given that right so that if the government becomes corrupt (like the many governments before it) we have the power to stop it...

edit2: and also what happens if you guys are invaded? what are you going to fight back with butter knives? i mean come on next thing you know they are going to take away guns from the army and youll plunge back into the Middle Ages using claymores and crossbows

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Posted: April 17, 2007 09:28 pm
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TANKER HES SAYING THERE ARE GUN CRIMES IN USA DUE TO THE MASS GUNS.

theres approx 300 million humans in usa , 250 million handguns.
any people in usa can just snap, and due to the easy getting guns one may just get the gun and start going el loco...


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Posted: April 17, 2007 09:36 pm
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1. your numbers are way off...

2. i know what hes saying and hes wrong

3. thats the point... everyone should have a gun... look at the hick states there is basicly no crime there of any type... i mean yeah every once in a while someone gets stupid but there isnt any real problems... thats because anyone who is stupid enough to try to shoot someone gets shot and then thats it... self defense. and if you look at london there is about the same amount of crime there as in new york...
its just that you never see as openly... basicly you guys are placing the blame of crime on guns... as i said guns dont kill people people kill people and people will continue to kill people as long as there are people to kill... guns or no guns...

4. GORDEN_FROHMAN IM SAYING THAT THERE ARE GUN CRIMES EVERYWHERE! EVEN WHERE ITS ILLEGAL TO HAVE GUNS!

edit: look what im trying to say is you cant stop people from having guns... people always find a way to get them... so you might as well just give them the guns so that they are ready for the 1 idiot or decides to use it...

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Posted: April 17, 2007 10:02 pm
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Tanker, last warning - stop calling people idiots and flaming them in some desperate effort to put your point across.


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Posted: April 17, 2007 10:10 pm
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...fine... im srry... i had a rough day...


edit: still you gotta admit... the police don't have guns... thats just dumb...

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Posted: April 17, 2007 11:14 pm
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QUOTE (Tanker @ April 17, 2007 09:10 pm)
...fine... im srry... i had a rough day...


edit: still you gotta admit... the police don't have guns... thats just dumb...


Is that right? Then why does my city center train station have an armed police presence? Police wielding mp5s and glock 19's! Oh and everyother train station in the country at the moment. There has actually been consideration of arming our police force, but there is not a lot of point since theres no need to shoot anyone because not every person you see on the street is possible carrying a gun.

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Posted: April 17, 2007 11:43 pm
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oh plz... this is retarded! look its not a matter of everyone carrying a gun its for the one person who has a gun! i mean really there is only about 1 in a million people who are actually going to go crazy and shoot people.... believe me i guarantee i could get a gun over to your house and shoot you in the face... its not as hard as you think... believe me there are just as many murders in the uk as there are in america the only difference is what weapon is used for those murders... you people blame guns for death and thats just wrong... yes they are a weapon made for killing... but its the dumb people who use them that do the killing and all your doing is blaming it on guns...

the point is that you have the wrong idea about guns... they arent evil machines they are tools that evil people use in a evil way... and the police force dont need guns just because the bad guys have guns, the bad guy could have a katana for all i give a crap he still needs to be shot...


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Posted: April 18, 2007 12:17 am
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ehh dont call other peeps ideas retarded we at ironoak like to keep an open mind

(at least i do after a wonderful email from zpin ...)


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Posted: April 18, 2007 12:20 am
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i didnt call it retarded i called this arguement retarded and it is... i mean come on you can't possibly be thinking it through... i mean have any of you seen the movie v for vendetta? thats what happens when your not allowed to have guns... your government gains to much control and you end up with a dictatorship... yeah it turned out great at the end but thats after years of oppression...


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Posted: April 18, 2007 12:37 am
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this topic meant to be about the massacre in Virginia Tech, as opposed to the gun laws in the UK?


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Posted: April 18, 2007 12:38 am
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lol we got carried away?


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Posted: April 18, 2007 01:16 am
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lol trueness


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Posted: April 18, 2007 01:48 am
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Everyone just shut the fuck up, especially you Tanker. No, really. I'm tired of these debates on which country's policies are better or what not. Actually, I'm just tired of discussing or seeing the discussion of politics on the internet in general.

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Posted: April 18, 2007 01:54 am
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why me? im right! lol calm down SC... you take these things too seriously... i love these discussions because its fun to see how everyone else is so... wrong

by that i mean in most of these discussions. this one in particular is argueable... we have them all the time in my world studies class... all the girls in that class are just dumb... like the world is rainbows and butterflies dumb


edit: plus who made you in charge of what we get to argue...

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