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New PC Rig, Need Help...| Vox_Bloodstone |
Posted: June 18, 2008 01:28 am
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 Zombie Hunter  Group: Members Posts: 166 Joined: April 09, 2007  |
My pc is like this at the moment
AMD Athlon XP 2.2Ghz ASRock K7S8X XP Professional SP2 3 X 80mm Case Fans Gerneric DVD-RW 8X 1GB DDR 400 (2X 512MB)RAM 120GB Maxtor IDE Hard Drive ATI Radeon 9550 256MB AGP X 8 Creative Sound Blaster LIVE! 5.1 The New Stuff I'm Going To Upgrade It With New Rig ASRock 939ABX-M XP Professional SP2 3 X 80mm Case Fans 2.5GB RAM Gerneric DVD-RW 8X Wireless Keyboard & Mouse Arctic Cooling (AC-FRZ-64P) Freezer64 Pro Samsung SH-D162 16x48x DVD-ROM ATI Sapphire HD 3850 512MB AGP x 8 AMD Athlon 64 4000+ (2.4GHz) Socket 939 1MB L2 Cache (Can Be Overclocked To 2.9Ghz) Creative Sound Blaster LIVE! 5.1 Things I'm Needin Help With.. - Is It A Good Rig? - What Brand Of SATA Hard Drive Is A Good Buy? - Whats A Good But Cheap Wireless Card? - Can Some One Take Me Though How To Over Clock? - Is Water Cooling In Order? Chhers guys  This post has been edited by Vox_Bloodstone on June 18, 2008 02:57 am --------------------  |
  
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| Luciel |
Posted: June 18, 2008 03:17 am
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 Doom Trooper Group: Moderators Posts: 1070 Joined: August 18, 2005 |
Ok as a shop owner, this is my advice.
First of all, since youīre upgrading mobo, cpu and graphics, why are you staying in AGP? it makes no sense to me, go PCI-E. Because itīs AGP, no itīs not a good rig, and in my own personal oppinion, there is no point upgrading your whole pc, and again, staying in the now defunct AGP technology. About the mobo, if possible stay away from ASRock, try asus, gigabyte, whatever, just not ASRock. About keyboard and mouse, if you feel wireless is the way for you, then thereīs nothing wrong with that, but if you donīt mind cables, you can get a nice set of keyboard and mouse for the price of a wireless set, plus you donīt have to worry about the receiver dying, changing the batteries, etc... About the HDD, in my oppinion, Seagate, but this is one of, everyone has their own taste, so donīt worry to much about this one, good thing, HDDs are dirt cheap now a days, you can get a 750Gb 32Mb Cache sata2 hdd for 100 euros for example. A good and cheap wiress card or the usb dongle, is the TP-Link series, yes there are better models and brands, but in my oppinion itīs the best value for money. About the graphics card, it is my oppinion that currently you get better value for money on nvidia rather than ati. Awesome thing about creative sound blaster is that, any card will be decent regardless of itīs age, i find that the now ancient live series, beats all integrated sound cards even by todayīs standards so yeah, unless you plan to get awesome speakers, that card is fine : ) even better thing is, if it brakes, you can get one for 10 euros on ebay : D about ram, considering the current cheapness of ddr2 800 ram, specially value for money on Kingston, get it, tis good, although try to keep it in full numbers, 1, 2 or 4 gigs, in 2 or more sticks, so it runs in dual channel mode : ) about the cpu, the difference between the 4000 & 4600 in price in practically non-existant, so get the 4600 if thatīs ok, that cpu should be more than you need for years to come : ) although i would suggest changing the heatsink, doesnīt have to be something fancy, try something like the Xilence series, something like 10-15 euros, same size as the factory one, but much better perfomance, which gives room for overclocking, however the artic cooling one will be just fine if you preffer that brand. Also consider chances is youīll need a new PSU for your new mobo connectors, donīt guide yourself by the power ratings as thatīs simply max power output, not real measurements in the cheap psu area, so to keep it cheap and good, again go to Xilence, the 420w RMS by Xilence is all youīll ever need and itīs pretty decently priced. Lastly, you have absolutly no need for water cooling : ) I hope this info is usefull for you, feel free to ask any questions : ) and most of all, enjoy your new system! |
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| mallic |
Posted: June 18, 2008 05:19 am
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 Penguin Overlord Group: BB:S Team Posts: 3099 Joined: June 08, 2006 |
yea agp is dead (which sucks for me because im stuck with a Radeon X1300
and I have heard some nice things about chemical cooling kits This post has been edited by mallic on June 18, 2008 05:20 am -------------------- 
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| Vox_Bloodstone |
Posted: June 18, 2008 02:13 pm
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Zombie Hunter Group: Members Posts: 166 Joined: April 09, 2007 |
Why? whats wrong with asrock? is there something i should know? i have Creative I-TRIGUE 2200 Speakers and they work great with my sound card  an are intel processors not better? Luciel can i ask? can you help me woth my new system? i want to keep the full tower case i got but my budget id say it about Ģ250 you'll know what's better etc and if you give me a list of the best componets then ill go buy them and make my system -------------------- |
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| Luciel |
Posted: June 18, 2008 04:37 pm
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Doom Trooper Group: Moderators Posts: 1070 Joined: August 18, 2005 |
Yeah sure itīs no bother, iīll try to help you as much as i can : )
Ok AMD & Intel, since youīre on a budget, i recommend this time you stick with amd, not saying they are or arenīt better, however the 64 range are kickass value for money, so yeah : ) About ASRock, well, iīm sure theyīre not all like that or they wouldnīt sell, but iīve sold 6 since i opened my shop last year, 5 where brought back, since then i simply donīt deal with them. About your budget... hmm i have no idea of prices in the uk so iīll try my best to compare. What iīll do is iīll give you a list of components i would use to build your system for that price k? Iīll be using ciao.co.uk to get a price refference but iīll be adding a few quid on top to compensate for shop price, or if you choose to order online, P&P. Iīm assuming you already have the case itself, and the rom drive. Ok, letīs start: Motherboard: ASUS M2A-VM (NOT the HDMI version as thatīs more expensive), dead cheap, micro-atx mobo that pretty much does everything youīll ever need, 45-50 quid CPU: AMD AM2 X2 (Dual Core) 4000+ to 4600+ (this depending if you can afford the different once youīve payed for everything else, so iīd recommend buying this the last). Superb dual core cpu, veeeery overclockable with the right heatsink (but stay with the factory one for now since weīre on a budget). 45-55 quid RAM: 2x 1Gb Kingston DDR2 800, pretty good quality ram memory, and dead cheap. 30-45 quid for both sticks. HDD: Seagate Barracuda 250Gb S-ATA2 8-16Mb Caché. 35-45 quid, do have in mind though that the difference in price between higuer and lowe capacity models is pretty low. Graphics Card: Galaxy Factory Overclocked Nvidia GeForce 8600GT 512Mb DDR3 (Do not be fooled by the 1024Mb version as itīs ddr2 therefore slower. 70-85 quid PSU: If you can afford a bit more and can find it in the UK, Xilence 420w (Look for the red and black box, the PSU itself is black. It shouldnīt be more expensive than 35-40 quid. Regardless, any white branded 450w psu will do for this system. Total Best case scenario with stock psu: 240 Quid Worst case scenario: 285 (But you shouldnīt really pay that much for this). Also, if you order from the internet, try to order it all from the same shop to save in postage and might even get a discount : ) Iīd help you out, but because of postage from spain to uk, it would most likely end up costing more. |
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| Luciel |
Posted: June 18, 2008 04:39 pm
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Doom Trooper Group: Moderators Posts: 1070 Joined: August 18, 2005 |
With that system you can run crysis in mid to high quality settings as long as AA is off : D
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| hunter |
Posted: June 18, 2008 07:57 pm
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 Fantasma Cazador Group: Old BB:S Betatesters Posts: 3702 Joined: December 08, 2004 |
Mother board hdmi version Ģ40.97inc vat
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/132274 AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (2.6GHz) Socket AM2 1MB L2 Cache OEM Processor Ģ47.94inc vat http://www.ebuyer.com/product/136551 Kingston 2GB Kit (2x1GB) DDR2 800MHz Ģ29.99inc vat http://www.ebuyer.com/product/129954 seagate 250gb 30mb cache version Ģ47.04inc vat http://www.ebuyer.com/product/139225 Inno3D 8600GT Xstriker3 iChill edition 256MB DDR3 Dual DVI HDCP HDTV Out PCI-E Graphics Card Ģ69.99inc vat http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143884 Arctic Power 500W PSU With PCI-E 2x SATA, 20+4 ATX12V 8pin +12V Connectors - Ģ27.35inc vat http://www.ebuyer.com/product/124922 Ģ263.28 so if you want to stretch a little or down size something This post has been edited by hunter on June 18, 2008 08:01 pm --------------------  |
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| Luciel |
Posted: June 18, 2008 10:06 pm
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Doom Trooper Group: Moderators Posts: 1070 Joined: August 18, 2005 |
wow nicely done hunter, i mean i knew ciao wasnīt the cheapest but damm, good job : D iīd recommend cutting down on the psu and getting the galaxy version of the 8600 gt too, and thereīs no reason for the hdmi version, as youīre spending extra for an addon you wonīt use (integrated graphics card with hdmi, as thatīs what it is) plus thereīs pretty much no performance gain between the 4600+ and 5000+ so maybe you can save a couple of quid on that?
Also, you gotta have in mind you have to add P&P to that final price hunter, so maybe it goes way to much over budget for vox? This post has been edited by Luciel on June 18, 2008 10:09 pm |
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| Luciel |
Posted: June 18, 2008 10:12 pm
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Doom Trooper Group: Moderators Posts: 1070 Joined: August 18, 2005 |
Iīd also like to add vox, when you get all the parts, put the mobo, graphics, cpu and ram togueter on a woof surface and turn it on, just to make sure it all works fine before sticking it in the tower in case something has to go back.
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| hunter |
Posted: June 18, 2008 10:25 pm
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Fantasma Cazador Group: Old BB:S Betatesters Posts: 3702 Joined: December 08, 2004 |
LOl put it on a metallic surface
 , my friend once did the silly idea of screwing his mobo onto the case no spacers, woops -------------------- |
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| Vox_Bloodstone |
Posted: June 19, 2008 12:28 am
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Zombie Hunter Group: Members Posts: 166 Joined: April 09, 2007 |
Ok So Far These are the ones i found that you suggested Luciel off of Ebuyer.co.uk
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ Kingston 2GB Kit (2x1GB) DDR2 800MHz Seagate 250GB SATAII 7200rpm 16MB Cache The Ones I Found On Ebay Are These The Right Ones? GALAXY GEFORCE GF 8600GT 512MB DDR3 PCI-E ASUS M2A-VM DVI Xilence 420w TOTAL: Ģ228.26 This post has been edited by Vox_Bloodstone on June 19, 2008 01:06 am -------------------- |
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| hunter |
Posted: June 19, 2008 06:45 am
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Fantasma Cazador Group: Old BB:S Betatesters Posts: 3702 Joined: December 08, 2004 |
Does he really need a 512mb card i doubt hes running massive resolutions!
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| Luciel |
Posted: June 19, 2008 09:29 am
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Doom Trooper Group: Moderators Posts: 1070 Joined: August 18, 2005 |
Yes they all are except the mobo, thatīs not the one, youīre looking for the M2A-VM
And hunter, itīs not about the memory, itīs about the core and frequency itīs got for the money it costs, it wil run anything you throw at it. |
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| Vox_Bloodstone |
Posted: June 19, 2008 11:51 am
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Zombie Hunter Group: Members Posts: 166 Joined: April 09, 2007 |
the only other two i could find was were ASUS M2N-VM DH http://www.ciao.co.uk/ASUS_M2N_VM_DH__6543557 ASUS M2N-VM SE http://www.lambda-tek.com/componentshop/in...3&prodID=B90615 This post has been edited by Vox_Bloodstone on June 19, 2008 11:56 am -------------------- |
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| Luciel |
Posted: June 19, 2008 04:17 pm
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Doom Trooper Group: Moderators Posts: 1070 Joined: August 18, 2005 |
If you can get the plain M2N thatīs also fine, but by the prices i get from my supplier, itīs supposed to be a more expensive motherboard, good thing is, itīs the flagship motherboard by ASUS for the AM2 socket.
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