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> The Mingun, add back in the recoil
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Posted: January 30, 2005 09:35 pm
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Posted: January 30, 2005 10:35 pm
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Just to spite you guys who say that an M60 can't be fired without deploying, its definetly possible ..

In ww2, there were 'assault troopers' should could carry and fire M60s. By bracing the butt against their hip and holding the tripod to control fire, they could literally saturate everything in a room with lead (these assault troopers were primary used in inter-city fighting). = death.

Btw, if you take out minigun, I'm in HUGE FAVOUR of having mounted guns (as a map entity) .. those would really be awesome.


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Posted: January 30, 2005 10:41 pm
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Or we could keep the minigun and implement mounted guns (which I think would be the most logical path to take at the moment). The best of both worlds in my opinion.

However, this should be taken to a new thread before the original idea of this thread, physical recoil, is completely derailed.


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Posted: February 01, 2005 04:04 pm
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Recoil would be good - especially if it got far worse the faster you moved, forcing you to stop to wipe out the horde in front of you...while the horde behind you catches up.


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Posted: February 01, 2005 07:43 pm
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To get what I am talking about, download PE, jump in my PE server, choose the minigun, security corp, assault, I think, and fire the minigun, it is cool and fun to go backwards while standing still, or to run forward and jump and fire midair and stop jumping forward. Recoil doesnt need added to all guns, just mini gun cause its fun


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Posted: February 01, 2005 09:42 pm
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QUOTE (Mac @ Jan 30 2005, 10:35 PM)
Just to spite you guys who say that an M60 can't be fired without deploying, its definetly possible ..

In ww2, there were 'assault troopers' should could carry and fire M60s. By bracing the butt against their hip and holding the tripod to control fire, they could literally saturate everything in a room with lead (these assault troopers were primary used in inter-city fighting). = death.

Btw, if you take out minigun, I'm in HUGE FAVOUR of having mounted guns (as a map entity) .. those would really be awesome.

lol you gun newbs make me laugh.

First of all the M60 is a LMG(Light Machine Gun) that means it is a machinegun used for covering advancing troops.
2)The M60 has been used by the US military since 1950 so that rules out the bogus idea of it being used in WW2
3)Bipod=two legs,Tripod=3 legs
Only WW2 era machinegun doctrines had the technique of holding a machinegun by the bipod for firing while standing.
Machineguns since that era have had(generally speaking) handguards built onto them to allow the user to use them as an automatic rifle(M60)


Ok so now that that is behind us....

allow me to clarify the following:

Miniguns/Gatling guns are NOT designed to be fired by a human being.
Quite simple.
The recoil generated by such a device is enough to push a grown man off his feet or at least to throw his aim off by a very long shot.
Miniguns are designed to be fired from tripods or from vehicles.
You must also take into account the fact, that such a device requires a power source and an ammunition source.
Let's say a backpack can hold 5.000 rounds of 5.56mm ammunition.
The weapon already has a firerate of 3.000 rounds per minute that equals under one and a half minutes of fire, which in realistic terms means you're screwed after that ammo is gone, so it is not worth taking into combat(even if you can hold and fire it)

The minigun is in BB a fun weapon to "shoot" with, even through it's just a very spammy pea shooter, but I would preferr to see some IED's or molotov cocktails instead of it smile.gif
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Posted: February 01, 2005 09:55 pm
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well said he got you there, so what weapon would u like to see replace the minigun. Because i agree with you.


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Posted: February 02, 2005 01:08 am
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what do u think if I make a poll about this and we discuss it as another topic?


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Posted: February 04, 2005 04:41 am
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QUOTE (Lord_Of_The_Pings @ Feb 1 2005, 09:42 PM)
QUOTE (Mac @ Jan 30 2005, 10:35 PM)
Just to spite you guys who say that an M60 can't be fired without deploying, its definetly possible ..

In ww2, there were 'assault troopers' should could carry and fire M60s. By bracing the butt against their hip and holding the tripod to control fire, they could literally saturate everything in a room with lead (these assault troopers were primary used in inter-city fighting). = death.

Btw, if you take out minigun, I'm in HUGE FAVOUR of having mounted guns (as a map entity) .. those would really be awesome.

lol you gun newbs make me laugh.

First of all the M60 is a LMG(Light Machine Gun) that means it is a machinegun used for covering advancing troops.
2)The M60 has been used by the US military since 1950 so that rules out the bogus idea of it being used in WW2
3)Bipod=two legs,Tripod=3 legs
Only WW2 era machinegun doctrines had the technique of holding a machinegun by the bipod for firing while standing.
Machineguns since that era have had(generally speaking) handguards built onto them to allow the user to use them as an automatic rifle(M60)


Ok so now that that is behind us....

allow me to clarify the following:

Miniguns/Gatling guns are NOT designed to be fired by a human being.
Quite simple.
The recoil generated by such a device is enough to push a grown man off his feet or at least to throw his aim off by a very long shot.
Miniguns are designed to be fired from tripods or from vehicles.
You must also take into account the fact, that such a device requires a power source and an ammunition source.
Let's say a backpack can hold 5.000 rounds of 5.56mm ammunition.
The weapon already has a firerate of 3.000 rounds per minute that equals under one and a half minutes of fire, which in realistic terms means you're screwed after that ammo is gone, so it is not worth taking into combat(even if you can hold and fire it)

The minigun is in BB a fun weapon to "shoot" with, even through it's just a very spammy pea shooter, but I would preferr to see some IED's or molotov cocktails instead of it smile.gif

Shut up. I meant MG42. Next time you take the time to diss someone, try using common sense to fix what I'm saying before spewing out a load of bullcrap you probably just googled. I know firsthand that the German MG42 in WW2 HAD an assault option as I described above.

Idiot.

My whole point being that it was possible to be able to wield a heavy machine gun w/out a tripod. Stuck up snobs like you make me laugh so much ..


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Posted: February 04, 2005 04:46 am
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So mac you know firsthand were you in WWII?biggrin.gif oh and also i think he was just correcting you not dissing or just stating what he knows because you know if you google something and read it, therefore you know it.


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Posted: February 04, 2005 04:47 am
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A quote from madmax himself,the minigun will not be removed ^^


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Posted: February 04, 2005 05:24 am
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QUOTE (Mac @ Feb 3 2005, 10:41 PM)
I meant MG42.

Are you sure about that, I would think that the Germans would have used the MG34 for such a role...


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Posted: February 04, 2005 06:11 am
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I find that the mini gun as it is better KPS when i use it in short burst . Keep in mind that this saves on ammo and you can use the weapon longer . Full auto will get you alot pof kills fast when you "Herd" some zombie's together . but if you are smart the short burst will do the same and save on ammo . Recoil would be nice but so would being able to go prone and drop a bipod with your secondary weapon funct. Also if they add the recoil back should make it so at the very least when you kneel/crouch it would stedy your recoil because you have more control .
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Posted: February 04, 2005 06:27 am
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Both the 34 and the 42 could be used in an assault manner fired from shoulder or hip


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Posted: February 04, 2005 02:32 pm
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alright guys,i dont think the minigun should have a recoil or be replaced,like immortal said alot of time,its not a realist game,and actualy gun do have recoil,but not showed the same way,what do you think it is when the green dots go apart when you shoot ? this IS recoil cause if that was not recoil you would always shot right into the target,that just dont move the cursor up and i perfer it that way
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