Everyone, I'd like you all to look at page 1, post number 1. Dragontail asks in these loosely same words---

"That's the point of the game, right? To attack the other players?"

That was the initial question. There was no QUESTION of server rules, just a mention of them. So, as 4THID already stated, this topic had nothing to do with server rules in it's entireity. This was all about the mechanics of the game.

Clearly, if the intended question was not about server rules, if the inquirer was compliant with server rules, then this question would not have arisen in the first place. Explanation of how PvP is deprioritized in the presence of server rules is of utmost importance in this debate.

Obeying server rules is a universal truth because ultimately they are the ones who impose immediate supervision and presidence over your gameplay.

As for the debate, you continually and childishly seek "right" or "wrong" answers from an opinionated debate. Contrary to your narrow-mindedness I did not lose, nor am I wrong, for as you fail to realize, opinions, by nature, are bias and inconclusive. Granted, a dev stated his opinion (though not formally, since it was quoted by another member). Granted, his opinion "appeared" to coincide with yours. HOWEVER, it still remains nothing more than an opinion, regardless of the fact that it is a devs.

A gun manufacturer such as Heckler and Koch can create a sub machine gun. During production of this gun, they can claim, that it is in their opinion that this gun be used for military and sanctioned use only. But is their opinion of objective "right or wrong" value. No, their opinion is not going to stop a millionair from outfitting his guards with said gun. Their opinion is not going to stop a terrorist from outfitting himself with said gun. Thus, even though it is the opinion of the developers, it is of no consequential value.

What IS of value in this debate is what I have stated, the end-user agreement. The devs can state an opinion just as I or you can state one, and it is no more "right" or "wrong" than any other's opinion. What is of objective "right" or "wrong" value is how that opinion is phsyically played out on a server (the end-users), only they have the power to determine which opinion on PvP is "right" in the scope of their server.

Thus, any opinions about PvP, are just that; opinions. No objective or universal "right" or "wrong" can be extracted from them. Whereas my statement on server policies is a universal an objective "right" that is both translucent in comprehensiveness and agreeable by all.

Again, you are wrong, now you talk of guns and terrorist's, wow, do you need help grasping for those straws, now others have stated they dont care about server rules and play how they want, so apparently it isnt a "universal" truth agreeable by all.

This was not and is not a debate about opinions, this was about you saying what this game was intended to be and you have been proven wrong, now you talk of opinions and there is no right or wrong here, you disregard the statement of a dev because it doesnt suport you, and was only quoted by someone else, thats childish, typical of someone who has lost the discussion and now wants to backpeddle and save face and try to in his mind be correct.

Here is an idea, to stop continuing to sound like an idiot, put up the dictionary, drop all the "big words", because the more I read, the more I laugh at you, you are trying to come accross as such a mature professional debator, and you are coming out sounding like a fool.

Okay, seriously. Wtf.

As stated earlier by Sec Corp and myself, and more importantly by Lord Scottish, the point of the game was to attack players when one became a zombie, and those human players attack the zombies. And dear god, try reading into what dragontail said. Let him correct me if I interpreted it wrong, but his question was of the mechanics of the game, NOT what the server admins dictated.

This whole topic was about the PvP mechanics, nothing about the server rules.

And I am STILL waiting for that list that states everything that is "clearly" put in place to discourage PvP.

And you say I childishly seek right and wrong? Look who's talking! Are you not doing the same thing, trying to prove that you are right? Next insult please.


EDIT: And what the hell do you mean formal?! Lord Scottish typed that up himself, there's no need for him to appear and ell us (or you, rather) that he typed that. You're the only one that doesn't believe he typed that, if you say all of this crap about "formality".

This post has been edited by Till Death Do us Part on June 08, 2005 04:56 pm

After 200 years...


Renegade: I am right!
Others: No you're not!
Renegade: FFS
Others: FFS

If people contest that they defy my statement, and that they will continue to play how they want on a server, regardless of if the server condones it or not, than that is a serious and sickening flaw in their logic, and the fact that you support that also displays the large gaping hole in your thought process.

If you are so uninclined as to ignore the hierarchy of multiplayer games, I must stress to you the importance of the "server". Apparently, your are not of present mind enough to comprehend or appreciate my analogies (perhaps the gun one was too complicated for you), thus I will make it as simple as I can:
The "server" facilitates your multiplayer gaming experience. Though it has not created the game itself, it has created the worldspace for you to enact this game on. The "server" can be thought of as a city. The city did not create life, but it provides a space in which you can enact it in. As with any city (and respective "server"), it requires rules and requires that its citizens abide by these rules. Ultimately and universally, if a citizen does not comply with these rules he/she is punished, confined, or exiled. And this is the same with any server.

You can have the mindset that you will continue to do as you please on any server, but, for obvious reasons, that is flawed logic, as you can see with the "city" analogy, this logic will get you punished/exiled (kicked/banned) pretty quickly.

I find it fairly disappointing that I had to actually outline the blatant flaws and stupidity of that logic to you, but now I can only hope you will see it for yourself, and see why adhering to server rules is the one unrefutible logic that should be practiced by all online players, regardless of the state of PvP in this game.

And now your lastest episode of stupidty, has people going against the society of life and therefore are deviant and worhty of being exiled from life, does your ignorance ever end?

You have the flawed logic, that has been proven wrong here, and yet you are not adult enough to understand that, you were given some good advice, put up the dictionary, the more you write these paragraphs trying to sound like college instructor, the more pathetic you have become.

Yet you continue to babble utter nonsense about guns, terroists and life, you are on a spiral downward, surrounded by your complete stupidty, warm and content with your happiness in thinking you are correct in all things.

You say obey the server rules, and now you think yourself a messiah, professing the universal truth in all matters, you are a complete tool, join the rest of us, if you can and breathe thru your nose, the conversation was never about obeying server rules, it was about PvP in this game,

You have been judged, and found incorrect in your statements about this game, now your little foundation of life has been rocked to the core, you cannot accept it, now you grasp at air inventing a world, where you are correct, guess what, your on the wrong planet

Now you are back to saying "statement", when before everything said, to include Dev remarks were just "opinions" and therefore were wrong, nobility of purpose doesnt negate stupidity of execution

Renegade...a little while back you stated, in the more-or-less same

words: "There are so many measures put in place to discourage PvP."

All I did was ask for a "list" of those things, and now I'm automatically stupid? Where's the logic in that?

A list of inhabitions put into place is, for the most part, fundamentally biased. Since each item on the list can be interpreted for or against (i.e. ability to not climb ladders can be interpreted as no-PvP by myself, or as a PvP balance by yourself) such a list is of no objective importance.

As for me talking like a "college professor", it is necessary since I feel that I must educate you in the ways of sound and logical arguing. You continually claim my logic is flawed, but yet provide no analogies or details (like I have done with yours) as to its exacts flaws. You seem like the person who loves to cast rocks, yet affords no reasons why he has cast the rock. No judgement was passed on me, merely an opinion was shared. An opinion not unlike many other opinions shared in this debate, all of which are just that: opinions. I have spent considerable amount of posts trying to "teach" you what it means to have an unresolvable squabble amongst "opinions" as opposed to an undeniable debate amongst solid truths (as I have laid forth).
Eventually, for your sake, I hope you grasp this concept that I, the "college professor", have laid out for you; and when you do, consider yourself "schooled".

Renegade, you lost. Just admit to defeat. Its over. Yes, we all can agree on how the game should be played based on server rules, but: the orignal question if BB was in the basic direction of PvP? I failed to notice this when I PMed Lord Scottish, but still, he said that player zombies must attack human players so its done. I do regret 2 of my post made to you, I do apologize.

But the fact is Brainbread is only co-op when everyone is human. Once someone gets bitten, its PvP. No one needs to stress this any further. Everyone please discontinue this topic. Its useless to keep posting, as it will only inflict more unneeded damage.

Civilian Soldier, may I please request a topic lock?