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Posted: April 15, 2005 06:26 am
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Posted: April 15, 2005 09:21 am
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QUOTE (Dragontail @ Apr 15 2005, 12:57 AM)
Nothing ever happens to them, so we law abiding citizens get screwed. So, my solution would be to get rid of that rule and just let it be a free-for-all. You need to start up another server so I can come play there. cool.gif

Actually, I was going to go right out there on the edge and suggest that we remove or isolate PvP action all together. I think TSS mentioned there is going to be a combat/PvP mode for BB next patch which would implement this idea perfectly. This way, in "classic" BB, we could have it so that there is no PvP at all, and in "combat" BB, we could have it so that gameplay heavily relies on PvP.

As for my server, it's K.I.A. sad.gif It was running of my own comp so my bandwidth could only support 3-4 players before exploding laugh.gif . Though I may be able to find some good hosting in the near future, hopefully.... (keep an eye out for |2enegade's Justice Crew 6 !!)


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GIR_Almighty
Posted: April 18, 2005 03:34 am
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I, personally, ignore any "don't kill players" rules. They're a waste of my time. In fact, my favorite server doesn't even play levels with marines in them. I think that, if someone is good at being a zombie, they should play till they get killed. It's a jerk thing, to purposly go zombie before an escape is open, but it's their right. Furthermore, if the exit's open, and I go, then become a zombie, I'll spawn-kill anybody who refuses to exit untill they stop fighting back and make a run for it, and, even then, I might tail 'em with a few swats to make sure they hurry on with it. All is fair in love and war... so long as there's no castration involved. That's just not nice.


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BlackCentaur
Posted: April 18, 2005 06:02 am
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Let me explain something: In a video game, the general idea is not to make the game easy! So, having players shoot you while you're taking the "easy" way out, and killing marines, is how the game works. If I sat down and played age of empires 2 the first time, and the enemies decided to walk away from their walls, and get in transport ships, where they sat, I'd be pissed and return the game because it wouldn't be a challenge. If you don't like challenges, don't play online games against other people. You can go play chess against yourself and win everytime!!!

Oh, another thing I suggest for BB 1.3, is the actual possibility of being overun by zombies, they tend to never move up in this game. Ammo is just too plentiful.
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Posted: April 18, 2005 10:46 am
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QUOTE (BlackCentaur @ Apr 18 2005, 06:02 AM)
Let me explain something: In a video game, the general idea is not to make the game easy! So, having players shoot you while you're taking the "easy" way out, and killing marines, is how the game works. If I sat down and played age of empires 2 the first time, and the enemies decided to walk away from their walls, and get in transport ships, where they sat, I'd be pissed and return the game because it wouldn't be a challenge. If you don't like challenges, don't play online games against other people. You can go play chess against yourself and win everytime!!!

Oh, another thing I suggest for BB 1.3, is the actual possibility of being overun by zombies, they tend to never move up in this game. Ammo is just too plentiful.

Word. I make ammo boxes either difficult to get to, or put them way out of the way. I like playing the "I-run-out-of-ammo-I-drop-the-gun" game. It's more fun that way, and it forces players to change weapons every-so-often.


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Posted: April 18, 2005 01:13 pm
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Bah, players should be allowed to kill players. Firstly, a zombie against a human is bound to die instantly if the human has a sawed off, and secondly, even tho this isn't exactly a pvp mod, it still makes it fun. Only (in my opinion) "nubs" whine about being killed by a player zombie.


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Posted: April 19, 2005 12:13 am
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QUOTE (BlackCentaur @ Apr 18 2005, 06:02 AM)
Let me explain something: In a video game, the general idea is not to make the game easy! So, having players shoot you while you're taking the "easy" way out, and killing marines, is how the game works. If I sat down and played age of empires 2 the first time, and the enemies decided to walk away from their walls, and get in transport ships, where they sat, I'd be pissed and return the game because it wouldn't be a challenge. If you don't like challenges, don't play online games against other people. You can go play chess against yourself and win everytime!!!

Let me too explain something: This is a co-op game. This means the general idea of the game does not include PvP action. This DOES NOT mean that the game is easy, for I can tell you 30 zombies that take near-infinite damage each all heading towards you is incredibly harder to defeat than 1 or 2 player controlled zombies. Most people condoning PvP action in BB seem to keep forgetting this very important fact: BB is not PvP, it is co-op.
Playing and encouraging PvP action in BB is what you call "hi-jacking" the mod. In some cases, some servers may incorperate this "hi-jacking" (like WC3 CS servers), and in some very rare cases, mod developers may actually incorperate this "hi-jacking" into the mod, but in most cases, and in this case, the game should maintain its original idea, to be co-op and not PvP.


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Posted: April 19, 2005 12:34 am
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Personally, I think that Brainbread wouldn't survive completely co-op gameplay, as, unless they made some major modifications, it would be excrutiatingly easy. I'm all for co-op as long as it's fun, but, so far, player-zombies are what keep humans on their toes in this game. What I WOULD like to see is the game force players to play human once they've earned it and died, rather than giving an option. This would save a lot of trouble.

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Posted: April 19, 2005 02:37 am
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Theres a reason it has a PvP aspect to it, to PLAY the PvP aspect, and not complain! I bet thats why the developers did it..
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Posted: April 19, 2005 05:13 am
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QUOTE (GIR_Almighty @ Apr 19 2005, 12:34 AM)
Personally, I think that Brainbread wouldn't survive completely co-op gameplay, as, unless they made some major modifications, it would be excrutiatingly easy. I'm all for co-op as long as it's fun, but, so far, player-zombies are what keep humans on their toes in this game. What I WOULD like to see is the game force players to play human once they've earned it and died, rather than giving an option. This would save a lot of trouble.

Let's do a checklist here, you answer yes or no to each:
1) BB is designed for humans to complete goals (yes/no)?
2) Idealy, a good BB player will complete these goals without ever dying (yes/no)?
3) Therefore, according to your theory, BB played well is unenjoyable? Thus you are implying that BB can only be played enjoyable by those who die once in a while?
I hardly think not. Between steps 2-3 you will notice an inherent logic error. BB is designed to be a fun co-op game without PvP. Zombifying and PvP act as nothing more than a punishment for the careless player.

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Theres a reason it has a PvP aspect to it, to PLAY the PvP aspect, and not complain! I bet thats why the developers did it..

Wrong. I reiterate: Zombification and its ensuant PvP actions acts as nothing more than a punishment for careless players.


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Posted: April 19, 2005 01:35 pm
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Okay, but would YOU just sit around for one minute or two minutes or whatever it is, and wait until you can go human again? That is boring as hell. If they just wanted to punish careless players, why zombify them instead of just killing them? And if it was punishment, why give the player zombies a way to attack? And why give them better speed? Perhaps the spped is for chasing player humans?


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Posted: April 19, 2005 08:02 pm
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perhaps... and, perhaps, never dying or being zombified or even having to retreat, as games go without a few crap players going zombie, would be boring. There just aren't enough zombies in one place to take out a good player before they finish the missions. It leaves no challenge for those with skill. I have to say, the hardest map I've ever played was my own... I still haven't managed to kill Fred in it.

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Posted: April 20, 2005 09:47 am
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i read half of the first side and i just got one thing to say to all of you... NOOBS!
i mean like if the human players and zombie players are going to kill each other they could live a happy life like the brady bunh, ffs sharpen up a little.

they made the mod as it is, and if it is going to be "no player killing servers" then im going to put up mine and there its FREE TO FUKKING KILL.
man im getting so bored out on you noobs that dont want pvp to take action.
i mean . you said that zombies dosent have any goals? DUH! kill humans.
and if none of you are man enough to face a zombie in this game then quit playing it and get a life....

if any one got anything to say to this, then fukk off. i dont wanna hear it.
and even you guys that i respect and that have been here longer than me, just shut it.
ok . im putting up a poll about this shiat. so then weel see.

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Posted: April 20, 2005 01:17 pm
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Rule number 1: A problem does not poof away just because someone acts all macho and says "fuck" a lot.

Rule number 2: This is an ongoing problem, and one that is heavily opinionated. There is no "real" solution.

Rule number 3: Calling peeps "noobs" doesn't help either.

Rule number 4: Try to perhaps elaborate on your opnion. Why allow PvP? We had a very good uh...."debate" going on until SOMEONE had to come in acting like a 10 year old...


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Posted: April 20, 2005 03:16 pm
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ok for the first. i was on my computer and my brother wanted to add an reply but he FORGOT to log in on his, so dont call this on to me.


but i agree about that there should be player/human vs player/zombie vs bots.
and i dont like my brother so im going to hit him a few times...
im sry about that and PLEASE bann DAGNY (brother) so he wont annoy the forums...


but i agree about that there shouldent be any player vs bots servers. becuse if you can kill it then do it.
HATE MY BROTHER. but now: im going to change my name to " Ğ @ b ® Ī ë Ł // "



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