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> Zombie Player Speed?, I suppose this is self-explanatory...
noveltymc
Posted: February 11, 2005 11:33 pm
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i dont think this idea is too crazy. the zombie part of the game definitely needs to be fixed. this sounds like a suggestion that should be at least listened to

The zombie "part" is broken? It needs fixed? That seems rather arbitrary and subjective. Could you provide any reasons that have not already been mentioned or perhaps try to refute my current aurgument against this idea. Without both of those occuring, this idea will not get listened too or even heeded at all for that matter.

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immoral sniper you just take any oppurtunity possible to shoot down ideas to make yourself feel bigger.

Hmmm, I don't derive any pleasure from shooting down ideas, plus I find them more annoying than enjoyable so I am going to have to disagree with you there, Freud. Now unless you have a degree in Psychology, I highly recommend againts trying to psychoanalyze people, especially over the internet. Doubly so if attempting it to use it in an offensive manner like you tried.


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Posted: February 13, 2005 01:16 am
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How's this for compromise? You make the zombies' speeds/health/skill unaffected by upgrading. What bothers me in the game is not so much the fast-running zombies, but the ludicrously-fast-running, insanely tough zombies who can kill you in one hit. I recall one game I was killed 5 times in a row by the same player zombie in roughly a minute. So.. keep the speed high, just don't let it go any higher (same for the health and skill).
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Posted: February 13, 2005 06:25 pm
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I take it that you were a low level and the zombie was a high level. Also, player zombies can not kill in one hit because skill's damage bonus is not currently functioning.

In addition, two (which is just one hit if you fire both barrels) or three barrels from a sawed off will kill any player zombie outright, sometimes just a single barrel if they are low level. If you make player zombies unaffected by upgrades, yes it does level the playing field for lower level players, however, it would make them horribly underpowered against other high level players. Which is the main reason I say to leave it as it is.


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Posted: February 13, 2005 10:04 pm
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It appears to me, when players turn zombie, the AUTOMATICALLY, regardless of points and level, gain speed and power. Because i have been ko'd by player zombies in one hit and they run ridiculously fast.

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Posted: February 13, 2005 10:49 pm
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QUOTE (Reaper2k3 @ Feb 13 2005, 04:04 PM)
It appears to me, when players turn zombie, the AUTOMATICALLY, regardless of points and level, gain speed and power.

Of course, they HAVE to gain speed in order to catch a survivor of a similiar level. They gain power because they have a slow, melee range attack and it needs to give a reason why you don't want a player zombie in close combat with you.

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Because i have been ko'd by player zombies in one hit

Then you were not at full health. Base damage for "Bare fowl hands" is about 60 at 130% difficulty and base health is about 3 points above that when at 130% difficulty. Bonus damage from the "Skill" attribute is currently non functional.

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and they run ridiculously fast.

I said this already, it is because of their level, some high level survivors also run "ridiculously fast" as well.


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Of course, they HAVE to gain speed in order to catch a survivor of a similiar level.  They gain power because they have a slow, melee range attack and it needs to give a reason why you don't want a player zombie in close combat with you.

asinine. increasing their power is one thing. i can live with that. but increasing their SPEED? completely ludicrous, especially after increasing their attack power. I dont know about you, but its kind of hard hitting a weaving jumping zombie player before they can get to you and once they get to you, you are dead because of their attack power. over powering the human ZOMBIES is asinine. why dont you decrease their speed and increase power, the way it is its like an INCENTIVE to become a zombie instead of something you dont want to do.
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Posted: February 14, 2005 01:17 am
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QUOTE (Reaper2k3 @ Feb 13 2005, 05:50 PM)
asinine. increasing their power is one thing. i can live with that. but increasing their SPEED? completely ludicrous, especially after increasing their attack power.

Do I need to repeat myself? If a survivor can outrun a zombie, then the survivor is next to invincable against that player zombie.

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I dont know about you, but its kind of hard hitting a weaving jumping zombie player before they can get to you

Yes it is somewhat difficult, however, when one couples good aim and tactics especially with a hint of map geometry, it becomes childishly easy to take out even max level player zombies.

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and once they get to you, you are dead because of their attack power.

They have a slow attack speed, and it takes 4-6 hits for a zombie to kill a player with a lot of points into health. Combine this with the fact they have to be in melee to strike and the survivor will not (rather should not) be standing still in the open and it becomes a little more difficult.

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the way it is its like an INCENTIVE to become a zombie instead of something you dont want to do.

It is only an incentive is you are a better player, and much higher in level than others on the server, because a high level surivivor who is a good player can put you down quite easily.

Don't want this "problem"? Then I would suggest that you play on/start a server that doesn't save xp at all, as the problem you are posing is that low skilled/level survivors are at a disadvantage when facing high level/skilled zombies.

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Posted: February 14, 2005 01:41 am
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immoral_sniper, i have played on a server with absolute noobs with no xp and when they become zombies, they are freaking fast, and i have like 20 speed and they have 0 and they still outrun me. i dont have a prob with how powerful they are, but the speed is annyoing and unrealistic.

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Posted: February 14, 2005 02:48 am
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give player zombies less speed and a lot more hp
that way they'd keep coming, making a balance between the players and zombies
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Posted: February 14, 2005 11:17 pm
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QUOTE (zombieslaya @ Feb 14 2005, 01:41 AM)
immoral_sniper, i have played on a server with absolute noobs with no xp and when they become zombies, they are freaking fast, and i have like 20 speed and they have 0 and they still outrun me. i dont have a prob with how powerful they are, but the speed is annyoing and unrealistic.

And I must repeat and insist, UNBALANCED. last I checked the NPCs that stand there and are really weak and barely target you ALSO give respawn points for killing them. What is your reasoning for unbalancing the player zombies and buffing their power AND SPEED to ridiculous amounts against that fact? If your only reason for giving that to them is so they can run down PCs, why did you make NPCs able to be killed for respawn points? Turning into a zombie should be a BAD thing, not a good idea to get extra kills. Novels idea is far more balanced and intelligent. Increase the hp and power, not speed and power. Zombies should in NO way be faster than normal humans.

addition: And i have had 10 skill points and ~lvl 10 into HP with the pump shotgun and STILL get mowed down by the PC zombies.

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Posted: March 02, 2005 03:36 am
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thats y u get like 10 more lvls and put it into skill so u can blow derr A**es off with 2 hits of the Sawed off dats my plan


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Posted: March 02, 2005 03:14 pm
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Skill is currently broken, it does not increase the amount of damage you deal at the moment.


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Posted: March 02, 2005 11:30 pm
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u sirious dang i never knew taht wowsauce i use to use like 30 on skillz and like 10 on the others wow thansk fro that info !


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Posted: March 03, 2005 02:39 am
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Which isn't really the point..
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QUOTE (vyvu @ Mar 2 2005, 11:30 PM)
u sirious dang i never knew taht wowsauce i use to use like 30 on skillz and like 10 on the others wow thansk fro that info !

um mabey type so more people can read it?

No is No, No faster player zombie speed..yet


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